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Post by The Silent Orator on Oct 27, 2007 14:52:43 GMT -5
Concerning that topic, would a person with powers have their power level bumped a level if, say, they used that knowledge to predict and possibly either counter, dodge, or block the moves of an opponent's fighting style (although, as Nils from FE7 once put it "we only have the knowledge of the danger... we lack the ability to prevent it" [essentially, even though a person can read the opponent's moves, if they lack the ability to avoid it, they still get hit])?
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Post by Ninmast on Oct 27, 2007 20:50:10 GMT -5
Well, to be honest, that's one reason I don't like those Ashanic Records. I greatly dislike any character with omniscience, because it's just an attempt to allow metagaming in-character. Reading moves is different. But either way, no, their power level would not be raised, because nothing has been changed that would affect their combat prowess.
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Post by Veros on Oct 28, 2007 11:46:29 GMT -5
I'd also, appreciate it if you didn't delete my posts with opinions about the topic we were on. *tips my hat* Good day. *walks away*
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Post by Ninmast on Oct 28, 2007 18:04:39 GMT -5
Veros, I don't know what you're talking about, but I suggest you cool your temper.
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Post by Teh Donut on Nov 2, 2007 6:30:05 GMT -5
Next time, make sure your post was actually recorded by the boards, Veros; we all know they have a nasty habit of not recording members' posts. Unfounded paranoia based upon predjudices about a specific member does not excuse blatant disrespect of any member. It's best to be careful where you cast those stones in that glass hut of yours.
I'm inclined to disagree with Ninmast on this, for for a very keen reason: Airoar and his foresight. Without it, he would only be a high-tier medium (6), because he lacks the speed and response time of any character in the high-leveled rankings. His ability to see a couple seconds ahead of current events, coupled with his vast array of spells (especially certain quick-cast ones), allows him to compete with those characters who previously would have pummeled him into the ground. Thus, he's bumped up into the next tier.
However, take your average Joe...or Nils, whichever you prefer. Both lack any outstanding combat features, if they have any at all to begin with. Thus, even if the may have an Oracle-like ability to see into the future, they lack to capability to do anything about it. Thus, it ould not affect their power level.
So really, I believe that deciding if a character's ability to read another's moves is warrant for bumping up the power level should be decided on a case-by-case basis. If you're unsure, ask yourself, "would this character still put up a relatively equal fight against someone of an equal power level if they didn't have the ability to real their moves?" If the answer's no, then by all means, push the power level up a notch.
Besides, I feel it's better to over-estimate a character's power level and not eprform up to snuff, than to under-estimate and have it be too powerful for the scenario.
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Post by Ninmast on Nov 2, 2007 13:16:06 GMT -5
I agree. As I said, just knowing doesn't change his actual combat performance in this case. Airoar has spells that let him take advantage of that knowledge. The character in question here, however, doesn't, and thus isn't boosted up a level.
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Post by Veros on Nov 3, 2007 16:14:17 GMT -5
Here's a good question... What power level would Willow be? During episode 124 at least, when Terra dies? (Buffy the Vampire slayer)
(If anyone recalls she did disorientate a Hell Goddess... And teleport the Hell Goddess against her will...)
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Post by Ninmast on Nov 3, 2007 22:02:22 GMT -5
Somehow, I doubt a tweenage vampire show where a demon gets his brains eaten out and a girl goes out with a werewolf should be consulted for adequate power examples of the supernatural.
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Post by Veros on Nov 4, 2007 0:49:06 GMT -5
*sighs* I'm going to respect your comment/insult on my 3rd favorite series. But this isn't about that. It's where Willow lands in the power level system as a witch. (And I don't believe its mid tier medium either). I'm just not sure if she's a High tier Medium or a Low tier High, especially if we included all the seasons and all that she's done.
'In Season Six, Willow demonstrates the ability to bring Buffy back to life, leaving her drained but regaining her magic in a few hours. Her friend Amy Madison introduces her to a warlock, Rack, who gives her the ability to go longer and do more spells, which leads Willow further down the path to the dark side of magic. Eventually, after Tara dies, magic consumes Willow and she nearly destroys the world. It is at this time that Anya assumes Willow is now the most powerful Wicca in the Western Hemisphere. Willow is capable of imbuing herself with super strength rivaling Buffy's, flying, absorbing life from others, teleportation, being impervious from physical damages curing them instantly at will, unleashing powerful energy blasts, and exerting a high level of telekinesis and telepathic mind control.
Season Seven sees her willingness to use magic greatly diminished after the events of the Season Six finale. Willow spends time at a coven in England with Giles where she develops a better understanding of magic, balance, etc. At this point, she is so powerful her very feelings and thoughts can affect the world. Amy comments that other practitioners "work twice as hard to be half as good" as Willow. Despite this, Willow is largely prevented from accessing more than slight magic by The First Evil, who attempts to corrupt her at each spell. Examples of the controlled usage of her power are her use of telekinesis to practice self-restraint, conjuring force fields, extensive telepathic conversations, opening a portal, and exerting hypnotic control. Willow also comments that she now absorbs power from the things around her, one time unwillingly draining some of Kennedy's life-force. At the end of Season Seven, Willow casts a spell that imbues all Potential Slayers on Earth with Slayer powers (formerly reserved for only one girl in every generation), temporarily turning Willow's eyes and hair crystal white in the process. Kennedy remarked on it by calling her "a goddess."
Season Eight shows Willow's powers have greatly expanded since the television series. She can now fly by force of will and has regained control of her powers, although her roots continue to go dark whenever she taps into more power, this doesn't faze her. She is able to project vast amounts of energy from her fingertips and cast aside powerful spells. She is able to heal herself rapidly from extreme injuries, at least including partial lobotomy. She is also able to heal injuries in others. Amy characterizes her as a "big all-powerful earth-mother witch goddess".' ~Wikipedia on Willow Rosenberg.
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Post by Kainus Maximus on Nov 4, 2007 1:10:30 GMT -5
Your oppinion is noted, but there are various cannon sources out there that are related to here where I question their authenticity for the power level systems. Your oppinion is fine, but if you would be kind enough to answer Veros' question on the topic, as you are perhaps more knowledgeable on the subject.
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Post by Teh Donut on Nov 4, 2007 1:44:23 GMT -5
Ah, the uselessness of Wikipedia...one million nerds still can't make a valid encyclopedia.
Never liked the shw much. It supports all the Wicca steriotypes.
Anywho, Willow would be a character that would be banned from roleplay. In terms of potential power, she's akin to a goddess; any character of deitical power is above classification in our Power Level system and is thus banned from any roleplay whatsoever.
Of course, if you're using her as a template of sorts, then it explains a lot...
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Post by Veros on Nov 4, 2007 2:08:03 GMT -5
Well, it is for the basis of abilities, so yes a template. But the reason why I mentioned an exact episode was to have an exact marker of her absolute max outlined. Pre-Terra's death. so pre-goddess level powers. Pre-developing better understanding thus accieving goddess like powers. But still powerful non-the-less.
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Post by Teh Donut on Nov 4, 2007 2:38:07 GMT -5
Assuming this is also before "magic consumes" her, she's an 8 or 9, from what I know. Which isn't much. I lost interest after season one, and only a couple episodes since.
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Post by Veros on Nov 4, 2007 11:46:26 GMT -5
Its after the magic addiction, but right before magic consumes her.
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Post by Ninmast on Nov 4, 2007 12:39:49 GMT -5
I also enjoyed the series when I could watch it, Veros, but that issue with her magic is a prime example of something called character glorification, where a character in a series is expanded upon unrealistically until their powers are similarly unrealistic and beyond compare. If she can fling goddesses into other realms against their will, then yes, she's a broken character and thus outside the power level system. That was my point.
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