Post by Teh Donut on Jun 23, 2010 22:14:21 GMT -5
(*edit* Written after reply #9, and before any other postings. Got distracted. Sorry if things in here have been resolved already, but I'm not editing them out.)
Just to avoid messy quotations everywhere, I'll just jump right into it. I trust everyone here is insightful enough so as to know the statements to which I am refering. All instances of "you" are meant to the author of said statements, not just to Beany.
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First, the character. Taken as a whole, I like it. The roleplay potential (being, after all the most important part of any roleplaying character) is certainly there...while hormonally confused and creativity-challenged preteens (or alternatively, and more broadly, the Japanese) may have popularized the "love-curious android" into the sex-seeking Sue stereotype, I have a suspicion that you are neither Japanese nor a hormonla preteen, and have confidence in your ability to roleplay Honey in the manner you say Honey will be roleplayed.
The biggest problem this character's going to have is finding a suitable roleplay. EAB roleplays are notoriously action-oriented. Not saying they leave out the actual "roleplay", but that they're more rooted in action, fantasy, or adventure. Honey would probably best better served in either the realm of 1-on-1 chat/IM roleplay or left in a story, than brought into forum roleplay...unless you went to a board that had lifestyle roleplays. Too bad .Literati closed down a couple years ago.
I have several small criticisms of certain specific aspects of this character that I will not address in this post. It's mostly nit-picking that won't really affect the overall character, but we can talk over MSN about them if you wish.
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One that isn't a nit-pick is "He has known love in every sense and form that you can think of." Being only 180 years old, and given the near-infinite ways human-beings are capable of interpretting and expressing "love" (and extraterrestrials, but given the design of Honey, they're irrelevant), this is impossible. Furthermore, even if it were possible that Honey should fulfill this impossibility in only 180 years, then Omega would have all the data available in order to interpret and answer the Haddaway Equation and thus complete its Foreigner Directive. Since its prime directive is to Love, and it has answered the question of what Love is, then it will live out the answer for the rest of its "life." That is, after all, how computers and robots work...and it makes for considerably boring/predictable roleplay.
Unless you want to BS your way out and pretend we're in some Hollywood fairytale world and that knowing what love is will automagically turn your Pinocchio into a real boy. Besides, it and phrases like it are really just half-assed writing.
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You do not need to meticulously outline the fine details of exactly how the inner workings of your android work. In this, Beany is correct. However, nowhere has anyone said anything about doing such, so it's a moot point.
There is no such thing as a "CPU cluster." Multiple processors working together as one unit is still a (singular) CPU. Even if those multiple processors are assigned via whatever OS is running in your robot to devote their resources to specific tasks only, they are still drawing from the same hardware and are still one computer with one CPU. Should you attempt to give each processor its own dedicated hardware, yet have them interact to run your robot, all you have done is stuffed multiple computers into a single shell and linked them all via a PAN. In this, Ninmast is correct. Getting bitchy and whining about other profiles because you have personal beef with Nin will not change that fact.
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Speaking of processors, yes, you said its five processors are the basis of its personality. Ninmasts (poorly argued) point is that you then went on to say "Honey, however, has a personality of his own," implying in no uncertain terms that Honey's CPU does not have control over the personality Honey expresses. For this to be true, there has to be another unit...about which Ninmast was asking. I, however, didn't give a whit about such semantics at the time, and simply took it to mean that you meant to say that Honey's expressed personality is not dominated by a single influence at any one time, but is rather a meld of all of them.
Ninmast was looking for clarification on this point. If you could please give him said clarification so we can put an end to this silly charade, I'd be much obliged.
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Characters do not have to have a purpose other than to serve as a vessel through which their creator can roleplay. As long as a character fulfills this (very) basic requirement and falls within the scope of the rules (which Honey does), then it is a viable character. There doesn't need to be a point. All your pointed points about there being no point are pointless.
Even if there is a purpose, Beany is not obligated to disclose it.
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Similarly, nit-picking on the naming of fictional equipment? Really? Could we sink any lower into assery? Even if you don't mean to be one, you still come across as one.
We've been over this before many, many times.
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Sexuality is not a personality trait. "Homo-/hetero-/bisexual personality" is a falacy. I'm really tired of seeing that shit.
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This android is not bisexual...it's asexual. That is, it is not attracted to either sex. Androids, by their nature, can't have sexual orientations anyway, as they're completely machines and lack the "parts" required to produce and interpret the organic reactions that induce sexual attraction.
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Because there seems to be some confusion on the subject from certain person(s) here, let me explain. Heterosexual means sexually attracted to the opposite sex. Homosexual means sexually attracted to the same sex.
Bisexual means sexually attracted to both sexes. Bisexuals are NOT indecisive little nutjobs who don't know what sexuality they are, and thus claim themselves as bisexual to give themselves some manner of justification for "discovering themselves." Neither are they the narcissists that claim to be "Bi" and "act Bi" simply to get attention, yet aren't really "Bi." These people are fauxsexuals. Vanessa Carlton is bisexual. Madonna is fauxsexual. (for people not in the know, "faux" means "fake," and "fauxsexual" is not a real word)
Asexual (or "a sexual"), in the sense of sexuality, means sexually attracted to neither sex. Asexuals do not never have sex or such relationships, they simply don't find themselves sexually attracted to either sex. Robots and androids always fall into this category. Humans can, too. For example, I am asexual.
That's all there is. There isn't any more.
Just to avoid messy quotations everywhere, I'll just jump right into it. I trust everyone here is insightful enough so as to know the statements to which I am refering. All instances of "you" are meant to the author of said statements, not just to Beany.
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First, the character. Taken as a whole, I like it. The roleplay potential (being, after all the most important part of any roleplaying character) is certainly there...while hormonally confused and creativity-challenged preteens (or alternatively, and more broadly, the Japanese) may have popularized the "love-curious android" into the sex-seeking Sue stereotype, I have a suspicion that you are neither Japanese nor a hormonla preteen, and have confidence in your ability to roleplay Honey in the manner you say Honey will be roleplayed.
The biggest problem this character's going to have is finding a suitable roleplay. EAB roleplays are notoriously action-oriented. Not saying they leave out the actual "roleplay", but that they're more rooted in action, fantasy, or adventure. Honey would probably best better served in either the realm of 1-on-1 chat/IM roleplay or left in a story, than brought into forum roleplay...unless you went to a board that had lifestyle roleplays. Too bad .Literati closed down a couple years ago.
I have several small criticisms of certain specific aspects of this character that I will not address in this post. It's mostly nit-picking that won't really affect the overall character, but we can talk over MSN about them if you wish.
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One that isn't a nit-pick is "He has known love in every sense and form that you can think of." Being only 180 years old, and given the near-infinite ways human-beings are capable of interpretting and expressing "love" (and extraterrestrials, but given the design of Honey, they're irrelevant), this is impossible. Furthermore, even if it were possible that Honey should fulfill this impossibility in only 180 years, then Omega would have all the data available in order to interpret and answer the Haddaway Equation and thus complete its Foreigner Directive. Since its prime directive is to Love, and it has answered the question of what Love is, then it will live out the answer for the rest of its "life." That is, after all, how computers and robots work...and it makes for considerably boring/predictable roleplay.
Unless you want to BS your way out and pretend we're in some Hollywood fairytale world and that knowing what love is will automagically turn your Pinocchio into a real boy. Besides, it and phrases like it are really just half-assed writing.
-
You do not need to meticulously outline the fine details of exactly how the inner workings of your android work. In this, Beany is correct. However, nowhere has anyone said anything about doing such, so it's a moot point.
There is no such thing as a "CPU cluster." Multiple processors working together as one unit is still a (singular) CPU. Even if those multiple processors are assigned via whatever OS is running in your robot to devote their resources to specific tasks only, they are still drawing from the same hardware and are still one computer with one CPU. Should you attempt to give each processor its own dedicated hardware, yet have them interact to run your robot, all you have done is stuffed multiple computers into a single shell and linked them all via a PAN. In this, Ninmast is correct. Getting bitchy and whining about other profiles because you have personal beef with Nin will not change that fact.
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Speaking of processors, yes, you said its five processors are the basis of its personality. Ninmasts (poorly argued) point is that you then went on to say "Honey, however, has a personality of his own," implying in no uncertain terms that Honey's CPU does not have control over the personality Honey expresses. For this to be true, there has to be another unit...about which Ninmast was asking. I, however, didn't give a whit about such semantics at the time, and simply took it to mean that you meant to say that Honey's expressed personality is not dominated by a single influence at any one time, but is rather a meld of all of them.
Ninmast was looking for clarification on this point. If you could please give him said clarification so we can put an end to this silly charade, I'd be much obliged.
-
Characters do not have to have a purpose other than to serve as a vessel through which their creator can roleplay. As long as a character fulfills this (very) basic requirement and falls within the scope of the rules (which Honey does), then it is a viable character. There doesn't need to be a point. All your pointed points about there being no point are pointless.
Even if there is a purpose, Beany is not obligated to disclose it.
-
Similarly, nit-picking on the naming of fictional equipment? Really? Could we sink any lower into assery? Even if you don't mean to be one, you still come across as one.
We've been over this before many, many times.
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Sexuality is not a personality trait. "Homo-/hetero-/bisexual personality" is a falacy. I'm really tired of seeing that shit.
-
This android is not bisexual...it's asexual. That is, it is not attracted to either sex. Androids, by their nature, can't have sexual orientations anyway, as they're completely machines and lack the "parts" required to produce and interpret the organic reactions that induce sexual attraction.
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Because there seems to be some confusion on the subject from certain person(s) here, let me explain. Heterosexual means sexually attracted to the opposite sex. Homosexual means sexually attracted to the same sex.
Bisexual means sexually attracted to both sexes. Bisexuals are NOT indecisive little nutjobs who don't know what sexuality they are, and thus claim themselves as bisexual to give themselves some manner of justification for "discovering themselves." Neither are they the narcissists that claim to be "Bi" and "act Bi" simply to get attention, yet aren't really "Bi." These people are fauxsexuals. Vanessa Carlton is bisexual. Madonna is fauxsexual. (for people not in the know, "faux" means "fake," and "fauxsexual" is not a real word)
Asexual (or "a sexual"), in the sense of sexuality, means sexually attracted to neither sex. Asexuals do not never have sex or such relationships, they simply don't find themselves sexually attracted to either sex. Robots and androids always fall into this category. Humans can, too. For example, I am asexual.
That's all there is. There isn't any more.