Son of Marth
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Post by Son of Marth on Oct 1, 2008 19:21:01 GMT -5
Well I was gonna post a new thread for this, but I figured why not post it here since it pertains to the problem.
First with the problems of a wild goose chase to figure out what a profile is saying, everything in a profile concerning a fan-character should be thoroughly outlined so that someone who has never even heard of the show in question can understand it. Terms unique to the show (Example: jutsu, chakra) should be explained A) In the profile B) In a thread made to explain all the stuff (E.G. Naruto terms for fan-characters) Of course that would mean a thread for naruto, a thread for starwars.... It would be better to start a fan-term thread, and each post be for a different show (Post 1: naruto, Post 2: starwars) Believe it or not, some people will enter a naruto RP having never seen the show, just for the experience, some people are that open minded y'know.
As for links, you could provide links for additional information, but simply providing a link and saying "go look it up" defeats the purpose of the profile. An effectively filled out and completed profile would allow a person who knows absolutely nothing about the character to understand every in and out there is to the character. If I were to see a profile on an Avatar character, I should be able to understand it perfectly, regardless if I have seen Avatar or not. I'm not saying questions are bad, but the reader shouldn't HAVE to ask to terribly many questions in an effectively filled out profile. (I understand that I am guilty of making half-assed profiles at times, and i I fully intend to stop doing so.).
So, to be simple, I am suggesting that the members fill out the profiles completely, as Ninmast has already said. But I am also suggesting a thread made for terms that will be used in a fan-character profile (It should be explained in the profile, but I can understand if one has 7 Naruto characters, explaining chakra in all 7 threads would be kind of.... pointless).
As for how this "encyclopedia" of terms should be set up, I'm not entirely sure, it could be seperated into two threads, a person posts the term in one thread, and the staff edits the term's into the proper post on the "encyclopedia" thread. That could work, but again, I'm not entirely sure.
To recap, just outline, give more detail, don't assume we know anything, and fill the character out to the fullest extent possible. Remember, never assume that the reader knows shit from shinolah, because when you assume, you make ass out of u and me..... but mostly you ;D .
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Post by Ninmast on Oct 1, 2008 20:39:19 GMT -5
I'm against the second half of the suggestion. A new board just for fandom terms is a waste of space and time. If they can't make a decent profile without using fifty-syllable Japanese Traditional words THEY don't even know, it's probably a good sign that the character they're making ... probably needs some more work ...
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Son of Marth
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Post by Son of Marth on Oct 1, 2008 20:43:31 GMT -5
Thread ninmast, not board. Just a thread for the entire list of terms. One post for each show, and all the shows go in a single thread. A whole new board is definitely a waste of time.
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Post by TrueBlue© on Oct 5, 2008 0:04:57 GMT -5
I think... that it is rude... to expect me, the reader, to actually have to put forth extra effort in order to understand your character profile, which is posted for such a reason as so that I don't have to do that. Furthermore, applauded as my well-written and long slaved over and more harsher topic was, the suggested (and entirely practical) solution was never implemented. And I'm going to file a complaint with the authorities next time I catch him online, come to think of it... Yea-hah, I wrote that topic. ^_^ In conclusion, do all our Power Ranger teams that only barely resemble such count as fan characters? And how will this affect what's in the Character Registry?
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Post by Teh Donut on Oct 5, 2008 2:44:46 GMT -5
OFFICIAL AUTHORITY-ISH DECLARATION!
I don't know.
Seriously, we'll need to work out some sort of boundary...obviously, we cannot move around everything that has the slightest link to fandom because, let's all admit it...that's where we all get our ideas...
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Post by Beanybag on Oct 5, 2008 11:24:14 GMT -5
LIIIIESS ;____;
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Post by Teh Donut on Oct 6, 2008 0:22:12 GMT -5
Trooooths! Anywho, I think the greatest determining factor would be that...if the fan-based character could be dropped within canon with little or no tweaks to the canon setting, if the character isor if the character becomes the focus of an original canon plot or otherwise "steals the show", then it belongs in the Fan section. If there needs to be some extensive story remodeling that makes it not look much, if anything, like the original canon, or if the canon influence is so slight that one could hardly call it a fan character...then I suppose it doesn't matter so much...
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Post by TrueBlue© on Oct 6, 2008 0:29:20 GMT -5
So... only the Fancharacters that suck should be moved?
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Post by Ninmast on Oct 6, 2008 20:58:59 GMT -5
I think he only means the ones that are direct, like the Naruto characters, Sailor Star, etcetera, where they were made to fit the storyline. Others, such as Shawn Rae, Mogg, True, Morphaeus, they're heavily inspired and, in some cases, set in side stories or other worlds, entirely, often bearing little more than the moniker in common. I think he's saying those will remain where they are.
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Son of Marth
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Post by Son of Marth on Oct 8, 2008 19:27:09 GMT -5
I think... that it is rude... to expect me, the reader, to actually have to put forth extra effort in order to understand your character profile, which is posted for such a reason as so that I don't have to do that. Furthermore, applauded as my well-written and long slaved over and more harsher topic was, the suggested (and entirely practical) solution was never implemented. And I'm going to file a complaint with the authorities next time I catch him online, come to think of it... Yea-hah, I wrote that topic. ^_^ In conclusion, do all our Power Ranger teams that only barely resemble such count as fan characters? And how will this affect what's in the Character Registry? I sort of see your point, True, so let me redo my suggestion: If your characters profile uses a term that is unique to that fandom/universe, define the term in the profile! In every profile which uses it, define it (pain in the ass eh? learn how to copy/paste then lazy asses!). The idea of the profile as true said is so we don't have to put effort into understanding it. My new philosophy in writing profiles will be "I'm not gonna be lazy in writing the profile so you can be lazy when you read it." And really, thats the best profile there is, one where the reader can be extremely lazy and not do a lick of research, and still understand it. So i officially retract my suggestion on the fan-term thread. OFFICIAL AUTHORITY-ISH DECLARATION! I don't know. Seriously, we'll need to work out some sort of boundary...obviously, we cannot move around everything that has the slightest link to fandom because, let's all admit it...that's where we all get our ideas... Well donut, I agree, even when i don't realize it, my characters are inspired by a fandom of sorts...... Then I realize it after creating the character. ....Spam much? Although I'm likely guilty of doing so at times.... so I'll keep my mouth shut. Trooooths! Anywho, I think the greatest determining factor would be that...if the fan-based character could be dropped within canon with little or no tweaks to the canon setting, if the character isor if the character becomes the focus of an original canon plot or otherwise "steals the show", then it belongs in the Fan section. If there needs to be some extensive story remodeling that makes it not look much, if anything, like the original canon, or if the canon influence is so slight that one could hardly call it a fan character...then I suppose it doesn't matter so much... 1) I'm stealing that smiley. 2) So for example, if I were to create a fire emblem character, say for example, Cynthia Anaya, a common mercenary who grew up in a poor area of Bern learning sword-fighting from a mercenary, and became a mercenary herself after a while, and were to subsequently drop her into the storyline of Fire Emblem 7 as a mercenary hired by Heath after his betrayel of Bern, and introduce her in the Kinships Bond chapter as one of his guards in place of the generic characters he comes with, she would belong in the fan-section seeing as the storyline is virtually identicle,, but if I were to create, Engel Senigari, a Lycian Marquess ruling overng over the laus territory, after he revealed himself to and killed his brother Eric, who never even knew he was alive, even though he had to get written into the story with some tweaks pertaining to the laus heritage and bloodline, he would still belong in the fan section. Am I correct on this? However, if , Say.... A nameless druid who studies dark arts, and accidently released a demon causing cataclysm sinking the upper half of the Etrurian empire, Thus destroying the tome of elimine known as aureola, Allowing the release of Elimine's spirit, which is now corrupt by the dark magic of the druid, who then proceed to team up with lyndis and florina to kill the archsage athos after being turned evil via insanity following a ------- assault from sain who thought the release of elimine marked the end of the world and did not want to die a virgin, thus meaning bramimond never releases the seals over the tombs of the 8 generals meaning eliwood cannot meet roland and get the legendary sword and hector cannot meet armads the berserker and get the legendary axe meaning they can never defeat the dragon, thus causing nergal to win the war, in the process creating a morph with human emotions, named Julia, who then goes back in time to stop eliwoods father from dying, but still ensures everything else mentioned above happens until ultimately she must stop nergal from releasiung the dragons, which would stop her from being born, but due to some paradox that she causes along the way that I'm not gonna take the time to hink through since this is an example and not a profile, she still exists after defeating nergal. If I were to create that character, and i know full well its a mary sue, would that be a fan character even though the whole storyline of the game was changed, or would that go under the character board??? So... only the Fancharacters that suck should be moved? I OBJECT!!! Not every fan character sucks ass..... just most of them... I think he only means the ones that are direct, like the Naruto characters, Sailor Star, etcetera, where they were made to fit the storyline. Others, such as Shawn Rae, Mogg, True, Morphaeus, they're heavily inspired and, in some cases, set in side stories or other worlds, entirely, often bearing little more than the moniker in common. I think he's saying those will remain where they are. So....... would my moniker, Son of Marth, be a fan character, or original character? (and Ninman, zelda has nothing to do with my moniker, that was just a joke, I made) So to summarize this post, aside from my opening statement about my previous suggestion, I have no clue what I'm talking about, I'm just trying to make sure I understand, even though at points in my post I seem like I'm being a know it all, thats just a bad habit I have, I know its annoying, and I apologize, but i just want to be sure I understand.
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Post by Ninmast on Oct 9, 2008 22:59:54 GMT -5
It seems to me that post was largely just rambling rubbish. Please refrain from doing such, Marth. It's as much spam as simply typing in, "LIIIIIIES!!!" for your entire post.
By moniker, I meant like Power Rangers or Pokemon. The Dragon Rangers, for instance, are Power Rangers, but they aren't Power Ranger fan characters, even though they're the same type. Rachael is a Pokemon Trainer, but it's safe to say that she isn't part of the canonical story. She's simply just another pokemon trainer, and thus she isn't truly a fan character, just a character with a similar powerset. If I were to, say, make a Power Ranger that took over as the Red Mighty Morphin' Ranger for Jason because Jason, in this non-canonical fanstory, became deathly ill and entrusted it to her to lead the team in his absence, that would be a fan character because it's more directly a part of the canon.
To use pokemon analogies, two pokemon may be of the same type, but that doesn't make them the same breed. For instance Magnemite and Magnetric are both electric, but that doesn't mean they're both machines or that they're both dogs. Magnemite is a machine while Magnetric is a dog. Even though they share the same type, or moniker, in being Electric, they are still very different pokemon.
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Post by Teh Donut on Oct 10, 2008 1:09:16 GMT -5
This is why I'm also an admin...because I disagree with ninmast about Marth's post being spam. It's a good question, one Ninmast just answered in his previous post.
In short...yes, Marth, she would be a fan character. She is one that fits directly within the canonical universe, albiet in an entirely different and completely f***ed up alternate dimension.
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Post by Ninmast on Oct 11, 2008 0:07:45 GMT -5
Well, excuuuuuuuuuse me if all I got out of it was him asking the same question three times, then actually asking if HE was a fan character. That, to me, is rambling, and I still tried to answer his question.
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Post by Teh Donut on Oct 11, 2008 1:03:04 GMT -5
It's okay, Ninmast, we love you all the same. ;D
Any other questions?
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Post by Ninmast on Oct 11, 2008 7:12:14 GMT -5
I got one, I got one! Why did the funny guy on the corner tell me the moon isn't made of cheese?
Or, more seriously, how's the moving progress going?
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