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Post by Silva on Nov 5, 2008 19:43:34 GMT -5
Wait a sec Ninmast... [if] McCain gets the nomination, I'll probably vote for Obama Why the flip flop all of a sudden?
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Post by Ninmast on Nov 5, 2008 19:44:49 GMT -5
Because I liked Sara Palin.
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Post by Subtle on Nov 5, 2008 19:48:16 GMT -5
Ugh. McCain is not a bad guy, but I can't say I find anything positive about Palin.
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Post by Ninmast on Nov 5, 2008 19:51:46 GMT -5
How about this? She's pro life. She's down to earth enough to actually have a clue what normal people go through. She's a *gasp* normal person. Oh, and did I mention that, for all the railing people have done on her experience, she actually has more recorded than Obama?
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Post by Silva on Nov 5, 2008 19:52:03 GMT -5
Really now, if Palin is the new face of the Republican party, then they're all screwed. She single-handedly sank the whole campaign.
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Post by Ninmast on Nov 5, 2008 19:53:30 GMT -5
No, it was sunk long before she came along. She actually breathed some life back into it. But there were too many people who valued the color of a man's skin over the experience he has doing the job.
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Post by Subtle on Nov 5, 2008 19:56:03 GMT -5
How about this? She's pro life. She's down to earth enough to actually have a clue what normal people go through. She's a *gasp* normal person. Oh, and did I mention that, for all the railing people have done on her experience, she actually has more recorded than Obama? McCain would have chosen a pro-lifer no matter what. As for her experience, I think the number dosen't matter. Obama has spent time doing grass-roots work, hes spent time in the capital, and more importantly he's spent much time over seas. I do not have an exact number, but I have read that Palin only purchased a passport recently. She has some foreign policy experience with Canada and possibly Russia, but Obama has immersed himself in other cultures throughout his entire life. In my eyes, and I find this subjective, while he has less quantity of experience, he has the right variety of it and definitly isn't a greenhorn like many people make him out to be. I don't see why she is considered a normal person and Obama or McCain or Biden is not.
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Post by Ninmast on Nov 5, 2008 20:10:56 GMT -5
Obama, McCain and Biden are far more politician than normal people. They see dollar signs, they see laws, they see codes. Yes, they see people, but only with the rest as lenses. Palin brought a reality to a lot of people, a feeling of someone they could relate to.
As for Obama's experience overseas, I don't particularly care that he went on rockstar type tours to Europe. He wasn't running to be president of Europe. He was running to be president of the United States of America.
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Post by Silva on Nov 5, 2008 20:20:47 GMT -5
By the way, about your rantings of everyone only voting for Obama because he was black: that's a lot of BS
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Post by LotusBlackfire on Nov 5, 2008 20:25:26 GMT -5
Sarah palin had some of the worst ideas ive ever seen when it comes to politics, plus all the skeletons she had in her closet regarding corruption scandals oh and lets not forget the blatant stupidity of her morality, my favorite how she preached that sex ed was not needed and abstinence was the best thing kids needed to be taught, then her daughter goes off and gets pregnant, and basically forces them both to say there gonna get married to try and save face.
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Post by Silva on Nov 5, 2008 20:27:27 GMT -5
Yeah, gotta love those shotgun weddings
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Post by Beanybag on Nov 5, 2008 20:29:52 GMT -5
Iraq is screwed. I disagree and choose to state no reasons as to why I do. I agree, another reason I wish Ron Paul could have won. >: Those who wish their children to get a moral and adequate education are screwed. First of all, morals are relative and shouldn't be taught in public schooling. Send your kid to private school if you want that. Another reason to vote for Ron Paul, he'd have privatized the entire school system, and there would be no debate over whether or not creationism should be taught in science class. Those who want to move up financially in the world are screwed. Disagree again, the increase in taxes isn't going to keep people from moving up. Raising the minimum wage...I dunno, different story. I do, however, look forward to free health care (despite its many fallacies that have been shown by the Canadian version) and tax credits. Well, that's too bad, Obama isn't actually proposing free health care. Sarah palin had some of the worst ideas ive ever seen when it comes to politics, plus all the skeletons she had in her closet regarding corruption scandals oh and lets not forget the blatant stupidity of her morality, my favorite how she preached that sex ed was not needed and abstinence was the best thing kids needed to be taught, then her daughter goes off and gets pregnant, and basically forces them both to say there gonna get married to try and save face. Abstinence is a failed ideal. It'd be nice to think we can just tell kids not to have sex, but that's just not going to work. Bashing safe-sex and then bashing abortion? If you want to help put a stop to abortions you need to promote safe-sex, not abstinence. That's a sad truth.
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Post by Son of Marth on Nov 5, 2008 20:42:13 GMT -5
Not entirely true beany, you can promote both, rather than just one or the other. The US does need a sex ed program. as for pricvatiizing the entire school system, i do not see what good that would do.
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Post by Beanybag on Nov 5, 2008 20:44:07 GMT -5
Not entirely true beany, you can promote both, rather than just one or the other. The US does need a sex ed program. as for pricvatiizing the entire school system, i do not see what good that would do. It's part of the libertarian platform in that everything is better when it's privatized rather than run by the government. It lets people pay for the education they want for their kid instead of what they state mandates, and people don't need to fight about prayer in school, evolution in schools, and the like.
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Post by Ninmast on Nov 5, 2008 20:56:45 GMT -5
Silva, you clearly didn't read the article I linked to. That was all the people talked about, was how excited they were to vote for a black man simply because he was black. Of course they don't admit that they're voting for a black man because he's black. They don't believe they're racists. They think only whites are racists. Any act of choosing a black man over a white man solely because he's black is, to them, the exact opposite of racism, and any suggestion to the contrary has been violently lashed out upon by the African American population.
Lotus, oh my gosh, she actually had the gall to believe in abstinence, how horrid! How could she?
Beany, you're right, morals shouldn't be taught in schools. They should be taught at home. That's why the schools shouldn't be shoving homosexuality down our kids' throats or telling them that Christianity is hateful and illogical. Public school should be the one place where all that garbage shouldn't come in. School is a place to get an education, not be told that you should have two mommies.
Uh, dude, the higher you go in income, the higher your taxes are going to get hiked under Obama. He wants to spread that wealth around, taking it from those that earned it and giving it to those who don't.
Yes, Obama has talked about free health care. Under his latest plans, it won't be entirely free, but it will be similar in concept, mandated and controlled by the government with set amounts for people to be allowed to charge and such.
Abstinence is only a failed ideal for those that failed to use it. Fancy that. Something that only works when you actually use it. Now, that just completely goes against all forms of logic, doesn't it? Yes, you -can- teach your children not to go out and have sex until marriage. I was taught it. My brother was taught it. Most of my high school class was taught it. Don't tell me it can't be done just because your parents didn't do it.
Oh, and here's a little fact for you. Privatizing schools won't solve any problems whatsoever. It would only cause more. People who can't afford private schools suddenly won't be able to attend. The standards for graduation and merits will be up to the schools and can end up completely off-kilter with what is actually needed. The problems go on and on. How you see this as some sort of ultimate cure-all is beyond me.
Now, this discussion has been getting out of hand. Let's get it back in place and cool everyone's jets.
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