Silva
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Post by Silva on Jun 1, 2007 18:49:21 GMT -5
Is there even a point over debating like this? There's only one candidate who's worthy and deserving of being the next president: Ron Paul.
Seriously, Ron Paul. Look at his policies, his voting records. He is THE man who can actually run a country and run it well.
RON PAUL 08
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Post by Subtle on Jun 1, 2007 19:39:30 GMT -5
I swing with Silva on this. Ron Paul is my favorite contender right now... I dont think he'll realisitcly get elected though. I don't even know who would run as his vice president.
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Post by Ninmast on Jun 1, 2007 21:58:46 GMT -5
I agree, Scar, the Republicans don't have a good field this year, but I would never vote for Hilary, and if she were the only candidate running, I'd move to Canada. The tax rates are better there, anyway. I don't think she brings anything good to the White House, and far too much bad. I'm not sure I'd approve of an Obama/Edwards ticket, though. I like Obama. I don't like Edwards.
Silva, Subtle, I'm afraid I have no idea who Ron Paul is.
You know who I'd like to see in the White House? An Asian woman with low to middle class background.
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Post by Son of Marth on Jun 1, 2007 22:14:47 GMT -5
You know who i want to see in the white house? Ninmast.
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Post by Silva on Jun 2, 2007 0:00:39 GMT -5
Silva, Subtle, I'm afraid I have no idea who Ron Paul is. Have you tried his Wiki article? What about his Myspace page or even his campaign website? Seriously, Ron Paul is the next president of the United States, I don't care who anyone else says.
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Post by Teh Donut on Jun 2, 2007 2:28:25 GMT -5
I'm not crazy about an Obama/Edwards ticket either, but...besides Ron Paul, I'm not crazy about any of these other potential candidates. Who would be Mr. Paul's running mate? I'd lok at your links, silva, but I'm on a slow internet at the moment. So I'm either for Paul or Obama. Because I'm non-parrtisan. Oh the joys of being Centrist. Edit: What would be really awesome would be a Paul/Obama ticket, or Obama/Paul. Either one would make me jump and say "about damn time!"
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Post by Ninmast on Jun 2, 2007 10:05:41 GMT -5
You know who i want to see in the white house? Ninmast. WOOT! Thank you! I'm touched, really, but I'm not eligible to run. =P I checked up on Ron Paul, and he does sound very good. I agree with him on all points except the war. The Patriot act has been taken a little far, and I think unless we absolutely need more troops over there, we should use the resources already there, so I agree with him there, but I feel that the war over there, while it should be settling down and we should be turning it over to the security forces so they can fight it on their own, is very important. Even if we shouldn't have gone over there in the first place, we've done it now, and we need to clean up our mess instead of just playing cut and run. That will only lead to a bigger mess. I'm not a fan of the war, but pulling out and pretending it didn't happen won't help, either. Steady, organized withdrawal WITH THE IRAQI SECURITY FORCES READY TO DO IT THEMSELVES FIRST is the only way to do it. If it were my call, I'd start pull American troops off the front lines and put them there more in an educational/advisory capacity to give the local forces field experience while still benefiting from American training. And I want to explain what I meant about Edwards. When I said I didn't like him, I meant I didn't like his policies and stances. He, himself, seems to be a great guy.
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Post by scarmiglione on Jun 2, 2007 16:27:31 GMT -5
Obama/Paul wouldn't work, sadly. Paul's a traditional Conservative. Obama has promised a National Healthcare System. That's just one area where they're in direct opposition. There's been a lot of complaining about corporations lately, like oil companies and defense contractors, but there's one group of companies that has gotten away without its fair share criticism and complaint. Pharmacuetical companies and corporate hospitals. Article that exemplifies why I hate pharmaceutical companies (and the media)The Original FindingsPharmaceutical companies and corporate-run hospitals have no incentive to cure diseases, because they make money from from people being sick. If we had national healthcare, the government would speed up production for cures because people being sick would cost them money, since you can't collect . That's why I'm an Obamaniac. As far as Iraq goes, even though we are responsible for the mess over there, if the Iraqis don't cooperate, then there's nothing we can do, other than accept people who want to leave the country as either refugees or legal immigrants. For the most part it seems the Iraqis just want to blow up American soldiers and other Iraqis. Every possible solution to this Iraq mess is terrible, but it is my opinion that pulling our forces out as soon as possible is the least terrible option for our country, and only slightly more terrible than the other solutions for the Iraqis. The only exceptions to this are the Kurds. We should just give a big "F*** U" to Turkey and make Kurdistan a sovreign nation. The Kurds have been mostly cooperative throughout the war and deserve a reward for remaining civil. That's what I think, anyway.
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Post by Subtle on Jun 4, 2007 22:45:52 GMT -5
Ron Paul and Obama dont agree on healthcare, which is one of Obama's big selling points.
Paul, however, plans to reform our healthcare system, rather than completely nationalize it, and combined with tying the currency back to a gold standard once again, I think that will help our economy gain ground again, especially with the threat of the euro.
I have a strong feeling that if the race ends up being Guiliani vs Hilary then Paul might run for libertarian canadancy. Anyway, spread the word about paul.
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Post by Teh Donut on Jun 5, 2007 5:13:23 GMT -5
For the most part it seems the Iraqis just want to blow up American soldiers and other Iraqis. For someone who preaches the "don't believe the media" philosophy, you sure are eating right out of their hands... IRAQIS AREN'T KILLING IRAQIS. Every Iraqi who wasn't spoon-fed by Saddam wants the Democracy the US brought; they just don't agree with the way things are being handled. The Iraqis aren't the ones blowing themselves up everyday, it's the Syrians, Iranians, Jordanians, Lebanese, Yemenese, and Saudi Arabians...those countries that would hate, above all else, to see a Democratic Arab state smack in the middle of a region ruled by Kings, princes, dictators and Caliphs...and don't frget those oil barons. Think about it, such a thing would be a direct threat to their very institutions. Maybe not in the immediate future, no, but that oil money can only last a few more years, and then what... Seriously, I'm sick and tired of these horribly skewed, western views of Iraq, the Middle East, and Islam... -_- National healthcare...hah. The one thing that makes me choose Paul over Obama. I sure as hell am not paying a hefty increase in tax dollars, just to fund a some poor sap's reliance on some prescription that could "potentially" cure him from the effects of his 10-pack-a-day habit. If I wanted that, I would have moved to Switzerland instead, or maybe just stayed in Germany. National Healthcare...sure, it sounds great, but if people nowadays are complaining of gas that is only $3.25 a gallon (We were paying more than that price in Europe at least a decade or so ago...), what the hell are they going to do when they find out their taxes have just increased to accomodate this new policy? Maybe riot in the streets... Of course, I do agree with Ninmast about Paul; we're over there in Iraq now, and we sure as hell need to see it through. It's our mess, and it's our job to clean up that mess. I'll be the first to say I'd love to see the troops back home and all, but let's be frank. The Iraqi security force is in no shape to protect the sovereign nation of Iraq from any sort fo threat, internal or external. At best, it's still a rag-tag group, spread thin over a desert expanse and cut off from each post by a sea of desert (through which even our own superior military forces dread moving, mind you) Iraq as we know it would fall to pieces. *steps off soap box* Anywho, I've ranted enough. It's late, and what needed said was said, and then some... >.>
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Post by Ninmast on Jun 5, 2007 10:05:55 GMT -5
An important note on gas, we here may not be paying as much as some other nations, but while we're all paying three, four, and six dollars in gas (depending on which nation you live in), you know how much those Middle Eastern nations are paying? 0.50 and 0.92 a gallon.
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Post by Enigma on Jun 5, 2007 10:12:01 GMT -5
Good thing I live I live in Canada. Don\'t have to worry about this. Bwahahahahahaha
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Post by Ninmast on Jun 5, 2007 10:20:26 GMT -5
Maybe we should drag you down here and put you through the torture of it! ^_^
What IS the government system for Canada?
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Post by Enigma on Jun 5, 2007 10:31:54 GMT -5
Dude. We\'re a Democracy. We have a Prime Minister though.
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Post by Ninmast on Jun 5, 2007 10:37:47 GMT -5
I thought you were, but I wasn't sure ... You just never hear anything about Canada when you're in the United States, which is weird, since we're neighbors.
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