2008 Presidential Elections ( and other Politics)

[Ninmast]

Gravel? Is that someone's name or are you making a joke? Sorry, if he's an independent or a libertarian, I'm not familiar with their candidates, if there even are any this race.

[Teh Donut]

Mike Gravel was one of those other democratic candidates...one of the many various white guys who were forgotten when the black man and the woman really began their campaigns...

[Ninmast]

Ah. I never heard of him. Ever.

[shinaobi]

As of right now, due to age restrictions and a lack of definitive info on policies, I'm mostly staying out of the way and just looking back and forth.

Though I've heard that Obama is dreaded by Republicans. It's considered that, since he's a new face, they can't really pin him on as much as they can Hillary, and he's made it quite apparent that he's a real good speaker.

Mccain seems to be dreaded among conservative Republicans as they apparently feel he's "betrayed" them a bunch. Though I don't quite get that, it is apparent that there's apparently quite a lot of people that will vote for the Democrat if Mccain runs.

(And is that McCain? Cause I'm horrible with that sort of thing.)

[Ninmast]

McCain is running as a "true conservative," and he isn't. He's actually significantly more moderate. Is it a bad thing that he's more like that? Not necessarily. But it is if he's trying to convince people he's not. It'd be better for his campaign if he ran it straight from the get-go.

[Subtle]

McCain is a true neoconservative, thats for sure. Heck, bush is now saying that McCain is the most conservative one in the race!

Not that anyone pays attention to his opinion anymore

[Ninmast]

Neo-Conservative? You do know that's just a fancy way of saying "Liberal Conservative" while still making it sound like you're fanning to the Conservative base, right?

[Subtle]

A Liberal Conservative is a moderate, a NeoCon is something different

Its basically a non confrontational way of saying Fascist

[Silva]

"Liberal Conservitive"? Isn't that an oxymoron?

[Teh Donut]

Not really. A liberal conservative is a conservative who lack's conviction in their conservative beliefs, and thus backtracks upon their own words to try and sound more accepting to the other side, effectively looking like a flake to conservatives and a fake to liberals...

A moderate, on the other hand, knows neither side cares about what they have to say or pays attention to them, and thus kicks and screams as much as they want.

[Ninmast]

Subtle, a fascist is someone who's dictatorial and possessing super-extreme right-wing views. McCain has shown through his voting record and his policies that he's anything but.

By Donut's provided definition (Thanks, Donut), McCain is exactly what I said he was, a liberal conservative.

[The Silent Orator]

With Paul and Romney gone...

Obama for '08. I gotta pick the lesser of the three evils, and I'd rather just simply not vote if it's between Hillary and McCain. I'd explain why but I'm off to class soon.

[Teh Donut]

Oh, I fully understand why. ;D

As a term, neoconservative first was used derisively by democratic socialist Michael Harrington to identify a group of people (who described themselves as liberals) as newly stimulated conservative ex-liberals. The idea that liberalism "no longer knew what it was talking about" is neoconservatism's central theme.

Essentially, it's just a fancy term for "liberal conservative".